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>> well i, you know, i think joe just needs to be joe. jon: joining us now is karl rove, former senior advisor and deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush and a fox news contributor. i want to get your take on that advice from the president. he said let joe be joe. isn't that kind of dangerous? >> depends who shows up. is it the gaffe meister who says he will put you all back in chains or the guy showed up at the debate in 2008 against sarah palin and did a very good job. jon: democrats say you will not see the un, the unchained, the loose cannon joe biden tonight. that he will be very much on message. do you expect that? >> i expect that. he has more experience in presidential debates than anybody else running this year. he run for president himself. he has been vice president. he has done these debates before. he will be disciplined when discipline is really required for the moment. what will be interesting will be to see whether he is is did minuted like he has been in the last several days in being the attack dog or will he
>> well i, you know, i think joe just needs to be joe. jon: joining us now is karl rove, former senior advisor and deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush and a fox news contributor. i want to get your take on that advice from the president. he said let joe be joe. isn't that kind of dangerous? >> depends who shows up. is it the gaffe meister who says he will put you all back in chains or the guy showed up at the debate in 2008 against sarah palin and did a very good job....
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for him to co- opt it for cra like that, to be the cool guy in the room, i've had it with joe bide 'c in'wa toe interrupt miller describing the vice president and his strengths and weaknesses, although the strengths kind of eluded me in that monologue. did imiss it? >> like i said, billy, you're often tough on theenrs o s a ye m-- y mro t o le may p tst could. i'm sorry if you find it lacking. >> bill: no, no, no. not me,miller. because i don't want you to direct your ire at me. noing lacking. >> listen, they ought to replace elizabeth rren up the wi arikobalneo b t departed manager of the red sox. and miller and i would like to you know, the tickets are available, but just two bold or fresher shows. all the other ones sold out. saturday, november 24housn, s. tu,ce 8lte ty u foio b bre.c also my only solo appearance before the presidential election will be at the hard rock hotel, broward county, florida, on friday, october 26. we'll be discussing the election by that tim may he areio d shi sutiit romney. that report after these messages sometimes life can be well, a little uncomfortab
for him to co- opt it for cra like that, to be the cool guy in the room, i've had it with joe bide 'c in'wa toe interrupt miller describing the vice president and his strengths and weaknesses, although the strengths kind of eluded me in that monologue. did imiss it? >> like i said, billy, you're often tough on theenrs o s a ye m-- y mro t o le may p tst could. i'm sorry if you find it lacking. >> bill: no, no, no. not me,miller. because i don't want you to direct your ire at me....
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for him to co- opt it for crap like that, to be the cool guy in the room, i've had it with joe biden! >> bill: we were he were going to do warren and brown, we'll put that off for next week 'cause i didn't want to interrupt miller describing the vice president and his strengths and weaknesses, although the strengths kind of eluded me in that monologue. did i miss it? >> like i said, billy, you're often tough on the defenders on this show and you're more -- you give more room to the other people. i made my point the best i could. i'm sorry if you find it lacking. >> bill: no, no, no. not me, miller. because i don't want you to direct your ire at me. nothing lacking. >> listen, they ought to replace elizabeth warren up there with somebody competent in the boston area like bobby valentine. [ laughter ] >> bill: the departed manager of the red sox. and miller and i would like to you know, the tickets are available, but just two bold or fresher shows. all the other ones sold out. saturday, november 24, houston, texas. saturday, december 8, salt lake city, utah. information on bill billorei
for him to co- opt it for crap like that, to be the cool guy in the room, i've had it with joe biden! >> bill: we were he were going to do warren and brown, we'll put that off for next week 'cause i didn't want to interrupt miller describing the vice president and his strengths and weaknesses, although the strengths kind of eluded me in that monologue. did i miss it? >> like i said, billy, you're often tough on the defenders on this show and you're more -- you give more room to the...
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here with the reaction, joe trippi and peter johnson jr. the diary said it all, there is no way he thought his life was jeopardy. now we are findouth that in fact, he requested security. what other emails exist? >> this is the shame of america right now. this is the shame of the mideast. there are 13 attacks in six months. 35 security officers were pulled out. there was an ied planted at the consulate if benghazi. they tried to kill the british ambassador. there was no marine there is. they had no security. it was posted on the internet where he was running, every day. and so now, we have this absolute embarrassment and tragedy that the state department and the president have walked away from. we don't know what happened to our ambassador and thee other great americans who were killed. we do know that they want aid plane in order to get the heck out of there if this happen audio. >> sean: it was denied. >> it was denied. the cables are proving even more-- >>> we don't won't see the cables until after the election. >> we will see them after
here with the reaction, joe trippi and peter johnson jr. the diary said it all, there is no way he thought his life was jeopardy. now we are findouth that in fact, he requested security. what other emails exist? >> this is the shame of america right now. this is the shame of the mideast. there are 13 attacks in six months. 35 security officers were pulled out. there was an ied planted at the consulate if benghazi. they tried to kill the british ambassador. there was no marine there is....
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joe, does he have it right? >> i think he tried to be presidential and he may think that's too polite. i think the president and everybody is too focused on the president's performance it wasn't a good one. i never those was a good debater. what the debate was about is romney had a good performance. they are putting too much focus on the president's performance and not on what romney accomplished. >> romney has gone through 35 today he because it in the presidential elections. 20 this year. the vast majority debates he one by every measurement. he knows his stuff. he articulates his views. democrats may not like it, but at the end of the day he's a good debater. the president was lackluster. it was not like i was too polite. the bottom line is he wasn't there. he can get into the debate any time he wants to and i'm sure he will be better the next time. but at the end of the day don't think romney is going to walk away. romney made himself a viable alternative. this is a dead even race. megyn: one of the things t
joe, does he have it right? >> i think he tried to be presidential and he may think that's too polite. i think the president and everybody is too focused on the president's performance it wasn't a good one. i never those was a good debater. what the debate was about is romney had a good performance. they are putting too much focus on the president's performance and not on what romney accomplished. >> romney has gone through 35 today he because it in the presidential elections. 20...
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>> well, again i like to see joe biden be joe biden. i also love the fact that joe biden happens to be in command of the facts. joe biden has been to afghanistan, many, many times. paul ryan seems to read off a note card on it. that should scare the heck out of people heard him commit us to have american troops to do what the afghans should do. paul ryan is person i respect for having detailed, in his mind, budget but he sure hasn't told us anything about it. and he didn't do anything to dispel the pretty clear notion that is is one of most extreme members of congress. talk about what happened in the debate last night. bill: let me ask you a different way if i can. would you have liked to have seen, because i know clearly you stand by joe biden's performance last night that is plain and clear to see. >> that's right. bill: do you want to see president obama be a little more like joe biden? >> president obama and joe biden are partners who are very, very different people. that is one of the good things american people get. they get both
>> well, again i like to see joe biden be joe biden. i also love the fact that joe biden happens to be in command of the facts. joe biden has been to afghanistan, many, many times. paul ryan seems to read off a note card on it. that should scare the heck out of people heard him commit us to have american troops to do what the afghans should do. paul ryan is person i respect for having detailed, in his mind, budget but he sure hasn't told us anything about it. and he didn't do anything to...
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biden is joe biden. he is authentic and he is real and he is straightforward and he --. jon: that was actually, that was my mistake. but i did, maybe we can go back and play that again because, you had david axelrod saying essentially congressman ryan was working off of cue cards, seeming to suggest -- let's play that bite from david axelrod. >> in terms of style, you know, joe biden is joe biden. he is authentic and he is real. and he is straightforward, and he says what he thinks and he says what he means. and he spoke from a lifetime of experience and congressman ryan basically spoke from the cue cards that he was handed in prep. i think that showed up. jon: your response? >> paul ryan knows the ins and outs of budget. knows the ins and outs of foreign policy last night like the back his hand. clearly that came across. with vice president biden we him smirking the whole time because he couldn't defend the obama campaign's policy or the obama administration's policies over the last four years. and he o
biden is joe biden. he is authentic and he is real and he is straightforward and he --. jon: that was actually, that was my mistake. but i did, maybe we can go back and play that again because, you had david axelrod saying essentially congressman ryan was working off of cue cards, seeming to suggest -- let's play that bite from david axelrod. >> in terms of style, you know, joe biden is joe biden. he is authentic and he is real. and he is straightforward, and he says what he thinks and he...
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people say, that's joe being joe. but, you know, i couldn't help but think last night, and his questions, why did obama pick him to be his vice-president? he campaigned against him in the '08 election. joe won every debate. but he only got 1% of the vote. he's a unique personnel. viworked with him over the years. i like him. but there is no question in my mind when i look at joe biden and paul ryan on the stage there last night, i think paul ryan's got what it takes to take over as president. i don't think joe biden does. >> sean: you know, there are certain things he said that were factually inaccurate, one was the issue of benghazi. there was a request. we did know they asked for security. we did know it was a terror attack within 24 hours. we had testimony this week from state department officials and others, very clear on what had happened here. he seemed to throw the state department and our intelligence services down the stairs at the same time and not tell the american people the truth. that's pretty disturbing
people say, that's joe being joe. but, you know, i couldn't help but think last night, and his questions, why did obama pick him to be his vice-president? he campaigned against him in the '08 election. joe won every debate. but he only got 1% of the vote. he's a unique personnel. viworked with him over the years. i like him. but there is no question in my mind when i look at joe biden and paul ryan on the stage there last night, i think paul ryan's got what it takes to take over as president. i...
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i would have said, who is the real joe biden? and how -- abortion, that's a way bigger issue for the theology of catholicism. not fort church, but for the theology. abortion is really a big issue. gay marriage, jesus never talked about it. birth control, obviously they didn't have it back then. they're important issues, but not at the level of abortion. then you're getting into the fabric of the theology. >> i think what this does, this is obviously a conservative group that's putting out this ad, but what this does is it begs then for attack ads about romney being a mormon. >> they haven't really thus far. >> bill: he's consistent with his mormon theology. wait a minute. she's raising an issue. how do you attack romney who is a consistent mormon is this he does what they say. biden is not. >> it raises questions. just wait and see. >> bill: i'm telling you, i don't see any relevance there. they're going to go back to the 17th century on it? >> but what they've got it do is now they realize that the catholic vote is so important.
i would have said, who is the real joe biden? and how -- abortion, that's a way bigger issue for the theology of catholicism. not fort church, but for the theology. abortion is really a big issue. gay marriage, jesus never talked about it. birth control, obviously they didn't have it back then. they're important issues, but not at the level of abortion. then you're getting into the fabric of the theology. >> i think what this does, this is obviously a conservative group that's putting out...
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. >>> he was in difference to joe biden, joe biden, i like what you did. but ask me about. he was very respectful. >> i think going back to how women when they called in about this, they did mentioned the bullying about this. but the interruptions also, as well. they saw that, paul ryan wasn't given a fair shake and they didn't like that at all. >> heather: thank you, gregg. >> gregg: the women in my house were not big fans of that. there are only women in my house. new questions over the investigation of the u.s. consulate attack in libya that killed four americans including the u.s. ambassador. coming up the mother of one of the victims is accusing the obama administration of hiding the truth. president obama, governor mitt romney gearing up for the second presidential debate tuesday night, but how is the stakes changed since last week's much a talked about vice presidential debate? plus helping children who are too afraid to go to school because of bullying. what every parent needs to hear coming up next. mber when you sad men are superior drivers? yeah
. >>> he was in difference to joe biden, joe biden, i like what you did. but ask me about. he was very respectful. >> i think going back to how women when they called in about this, they did mentioned the bullying about this. but the interruptions also, as well. they saw that, paul ryan wasn't given a fair shake and they didn't like that at all. >> heather: thank you, gregg. >> gregg: the women in my house were not big fans of that. there are only women in my house....
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i disagree just slightly with joe and carl. this is about florida, ohio, north carolina, virginia and anything else, iowa, new hampshire, anything else gives them over 270. those four states give him 266, romney, so all he has to do is win new hampshire, and he's got 270. megyn: how does that work as a practical matter though? does this force president obama to start spending money in states that he didn't think he was going to have to spend money in before? >> well, like this new poll that shows michigan only a few points, i mean, if you take it as true -- by the way, both campaigns are doing their own polling, and that's what they'll decide. megyn: and we'll know where we see the president and mitt romney show up. >> and the ads on the, but, yeah, as you get states getting closer, it means you have to start spending in more states. i think both campaigns thought by now it would be down to -- and i agree with ed. look, right now it's essentially five states. romney has to win ohio and florida, he's got to win virginia, north c
i disagree just slightly with joe and carl. this is about florida, ohio, north carolina, virginia and anything else, iowa, new hampshire, anything else gives them over 270. those four states give him 266, romney, so all he has to do is win new hampshire, and he's got 270. megyn: how does that work as a practical matter though? does this force president obama to start spending money in states that he didn't think he was going to have to spend money in before? >> well, like this new poll...
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i think joe can, quote, be joe, whatever that means in the vice-presidential debate. i thought he was obnoxious. i thought he was caustic. i thought he was abrasive, but he can get away with it in a way that obama can't. i think that if there's anything that people liked or believed in back in '08 with obama, it was that he was sort of fair-minded, and so i think that he's got real limits to where he can go without, i think, really hurting himself in terms of the larger r perception of what his brand is about being fair minded and equality and all the things he talked about in '08. >> we're getting hints we may hear about things we didn't hear about in the first debate between these two, things like bain capital, things like the 47% remark from governor romney. how does the president roll that out without crossing the line because obviously he needs to be able to criticize governor romney as well as governor romney needs to be able to criticize him. how do you do that delicately enough to make your point but not seeming like you are maybe joe being joe in the way that
i think joe can, quote, be joe, whatever that means in the vice-presidential debate. i thought he was obnoxious. i thought he was caustic. i thought he was abrasive, but he can get away with it in a way that obama can't. i think that if there's anything that people liked or believed in back in '08 with obama, it was that he was sort of fair-minded, and so i think that he's got real limits to where he can go without, i think, really hurting himself in terms of the larger r perception of what his...
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what has barack obama and joe biden offered the country? the buffet tax. and that will -- buffett tax, that will tell you everything you need the know. jenna: we'll try to arrange that. charlie and peter, nice of to have you both today. >> take care. jon: all right. let's go from taxes and the economy to a bizarre case of he said/she said. it pits a group of students against administrators at one illinois high school over some unidentified pills. rick folbaum is live in the newsroom with that. >> reporter: well, jon, the boys say they were eating revive energy manipulates, these are -- mints, these are title tablet -- little tablets that promise to put a little kick in your step. they are not illegal. the kids were spotted eating them in the school cafeteria last week and immediately suspended for two days. they were also banned from attending any of the school's homecoming activities. one of the kids is speaking out. take a listen. >> not fair that we're basically not going to school because of a mint when kids at school probably right now are doing drugs
what has barack obama and joe biden offered the country? the buffet tax. and that will -- buffett tax, that will tell you everything you need the know. jenna: we'll try to arrange that. charlie and peter, nice of to have you both today. >> take care. jon: all right. let's go from taxes and the economy to a bizarre case of he said/she said. it pits a group of students against administrators at one illinois high school over some unidentified pills. rick folbaum is live in the newsroom with...
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joe biden was joe biden in so many ways. his demeanor was extraordinary. >> gretchen: i thought it was totally overthe top disrespectful. just speaking as a woman and i want to know the difference in the gender opinion. was this more offensive to women, men or either? maybe women have felt this more often. i could not believe how disrespectful he was and being from the midwest as paul ryan is as well there is such a thing as midwestern politeness and you go in front of me. that's what paul ryan was doing. should he had also been more aggressive or did he do the right thing in sitting back. >> brian: if people wanted strength on the democrat side they got it and conversant on every topic. but it was interesting on foreign policy. i think he showed experience. he's 69 and paul ryan is 42 years old and domestic issues. joe biden talked over ryan. and i am curious. democrats have to be heartened. i wonder about the independents and people who still haven't made up their mind. i have renewed faith? >> steve: if you miss the inter
joe biden was joe biden in so many ways. his demeanor was extraordinary. >> gretchen: i thought it was totally overthe top disrespectful. just speaking as a woman and i want to know the difference in the gender opinion. was this more offensive to women, men or either? maybe women have felt this more often. i could not believe how disrespectful he was and being from the midwest as paul ryan is as well there is such a thing as midwestern politeness and you go in front of me. that's what...
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both paul ryan and joe biden were personally popular. when we asked people who was the more of an asset to the campaign it was very clear that paul ryan was seen as more of an asset to the romney campaign and joe biden was to the obama campaign. i think the people are watching this vice presidental debate in part to see how well the sort of second in command stand up against each other. but i also think that people kind of watch the debates a little bit like a nascar sport, they want to see who is going to go into the wall, and i think, you know, avoiding gaffes is going to be very, very important for the candidates. jenna: it is like a sporting event in many ways. kathy, it's really nice to have you back with us. we look forward to checking back in with you before election day. thank you. >> thanks a lot. jon: at the last nascar race it seems like everybody went into the wall. jenna: it was a bad one. jon: new fears of another super power spying on the united states. a block-buster report warning about espionage about two giant overseas
both paul ryan and joe biden were personally popular. when we asked people who was the more of an asset to the campaign it was very clear that paul ryan was seen as more of an asset to the romney campaign and joe biden was to the obama campaign. i think the people are watching this vice presidental debate in part to see how well the sort of second in command stand up against each other. but i also think that people kind of watch the debates a little bit like a nascar sport, they want to see who...
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so there you go. >> is that joe being joe? >> part of it is joe being joe but again it's an attempt to take away attention to the issue and seriousness of it i wish in the middle of one of joe's historical laughing fits that paul would have stopped in mid sentence, just stopped, silence would have broken everything and he would have turned to joe biden and said excuse me, mr. vice president, i have been talking about the fact that iran is this close to getting nuclear devices, i'm pretty sure that in israel tonight, as parents are tucking their children into bed wondering if they are going to be vaporized they are not laughing. could you please share with all of us what is so doggone funny? i think -- >> -- that would have been effective. >> in one of those moments you wish -- you think you want to say something to someone you want to walk away i should have said that it didn't happen. who won the debate? when you look at those numbers. democrats were energized and thrilled when he did what president obama didn't do. laughing
so there you go. >> is that joe being joe? >> part of it is joe being joe but again it's an attempt to take away attention to the issue and seriousness of it i wish in the middle of one of joe's historical laughing fits that paul would have stopped in mid sentence, just stopped, silence would have broken everything and he would have turned to joe biden and said excuse me, mr. vice president, i have been talking about the fact that iran is this close to getting nuclear devices, i'm...
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so now there is added pressure on joe biden to actually super perform to try to make up some ground, the ground that obama lost since last week. >> bill: he can't possibly supper perform. >> you've got two things going on. it's east got a generational difference between biden who is 69 and the young paul ryan who is 42. the other thing is on the issue, you'll have a striking difference because biden is saddled with defending an economic record that failed. he's going up against the nation's top budget guy. >> bill: he's not going to say, obviously, the president will say it's succeeding. this is what the debate is. here is why i don't think it matters and then you can reply. people don't vote for vice president. this is all about romney and obama. this is what it is. biden is a known quantity. he's a very devoted liberal man. he's not going to go off the talking points. even though he once in a while he'll ad lib and get in trouble, here they're basically hitting him on the head right now. do not go off the talking points. do not say anything. >> i agree with you -- >> bill: ryan als
so now there is added pressure on joe biden to actually super perform to try to make up some ground, the ground that obama lost since last week. >> bill: he can't possibly supper perform. >> you've got two things going on. it's east got a generational difference between biden who is 69 and the young paul ryan who is 42. the other thing is on the issue, you'll have a striking difference because biden is saddled with defending an economic record that failed. he's going up against the...
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joe derosa. that does it for me. see you later. on. tonight. >> i know the president hopes for a safer, freer and more prosperous middle east, but hope is not a strategy. >> mitt romney hammering the president over chaos in the middle east and cbs news reporting the obama administration actually pulled some security before the american ambassador was murdered in libya. hume will comment. >> everybody here is incredible professional, they just perform flawlessly night after night. i can't always say the same. >> bill: president obama mocking himself for not doing well in the debate as more than 70% of the american public believe mitt we will have a follow-up report on that. >> you got to let them go. you got to unleash the machine. >> 'cause what could go wrong? [ laughter ] >> like they're doing real great now. >> bill: big rumble between stewart and me, your humble correspondent, has the folks talking. >> how is it that two personalities such as yourself share a willingness to come together when congress can't? >> bill: we'll tell i c
joe derosa. that does it for me. see you later. on. tonight. >> i know the president hopes for a safer, freer and more prosperous middle east, but hope is not a strategy. >> mitt romney hammering the president over chaos in the middle east and cbs news reporting the obama administration actually pulled some security before the american ambassador was murdered in libya. hume will comment. >> everybody here is incredible professional, they just perform flawlessly night after...
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it's a unique opportunity and i think joe biden is up to the challenge and he will be very aggressive on thursday. >> heather: to wrap up. ron, do you think this vice presidential debate will matter more with voters this year and will it change the polls at all? >> we'll have to see. stakes are higher because the momentum is going in the romney direction, so a lot of people are going to watch this as where the race could be going. it gives ryan a chance once again to call biden out on the fact that he wants to raise trillions of dollars in taxes and he wants to talk about why is the middle-class has done poorly over the last four years during the obama administration. i do think it will be game changer. >> heather: thank you so much for joining us. thank you very much. a reminder we are five days away from the first and only debate and fox news, between ryan and biden will talk about foreign and domestic policy. we will have live coverage beginning at 8:55 p.m. >> the man accused of murdering trayvon martin cars lawsuit. what producers did that made him sound like a racist in his infa
it's a unique opportunity and i think joe biden is up to the challenge and he will be very aggressive on thursday. >> heather: to wrap up. ron, do you think this vice presidential debate will matter more with voters this year and will it change the polls at all? >> we'll have to see. stakes are higher because the momentum is going in the romney direction, so a lot of people are going to watch this as where the race could be going. it gives ryan a chance once again to call biden out...
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beyond that, i'm not surprised that joe biden did what he did. after all, he and president cannot live on their accomplishments. at this point in the campaign at least in my experience in my campaign, i would be out there selling what i did. i would be showing how my promises have been fulfilled. we have broken promises, we have failed policies. frankly you can't live on that, what do you is get loud ear and louder. then we have paul ryan who did a good job on showing what they have as a plan. >> gregg: let me ask you about that. biden used the word fact more than 30 times during the debate. ryan used it once. vice president's facts seem in shorts supply. you can check out the editorial in "new york post." he voted against the two wars. we know he voted for the wars. under obama's plan taxes would rise for those making one million or more only forcing the white house that is not true either. he cited the american enterprise study that taxes are going up for the middle-class under romney's plan, in fact the study says the exact opposite. his state
beyond that, i'm not surprised that joe biden did what he did. after all, he and president cannot live on their accomplishments. at this point in the campaign at least in my experience in my campaign, i would be out there selling what i did. i would be showing how my promises have been fulfilled. we have broken promises, we have failed policies. frankly you can't live on that, what do you is get loud ear and louder. then we have paul ryan who did a good job on showing what they have as a plan....